•National overseer in Jamaica removed •Suspension of couple wrong, Pastor Bakare tells Deeper Life •‘No, couple should have followed church’s tradition,’ say Bishop Chukwuma, others
Pastor William Kumuyi offered to resign as General Superintendent of the Deeper Life Bible Church following the controversy that trailed the wedding of his second son, John.
John Kumuyi and his wife, Love had engaged in acts, which negated the church’s tradition during their wedding held in Jamaica on June 15, 2013. Love, who is a daughter of the National Overseer of Deeper Life Bible Church, Jamaica, Pastor Augustine Odih, was dressed in a fitted stylish wedding gown with transparent short sleeves. She also wore makeup, jewelry and carried a bouquet of flowers. The couple cruised in a limousine and had a huge wedding cake.
The misdemeanor, which attracted widespread criticisms, had earned the newlyweds suspension from church activities despite showing remorse and tendering an apology to the church, blaming their misconduct on the fact that both of them had resided abroad for so long.
Sunday Sun gathered that the practice in the Deeper Christian Life Ministry is that if members’ children misbehave, both the children and their parents get punished on the grounds that it’s the parents’ failing in their responsibilities that made the children to err. Although the children involved in the Jamaican wedding infraction are adults, the leadership of the church regarded their action as a strong breach of its tradition, and immediately removed the bride’s father, from his position as National Overseer in Jamaica.
To demonstrate that there is no double standard in the church, it was further learnt that Pastor Kumuyi, at the meeting held by the leadership of the church on the matter, offered to resign as General Superintendent, but was prevailed upon not to.
According to the Sunday Sun source, the General Superintendent did not take kindly to the couple’s behaviour and, unlike Eli in the Bible who did not discipline his sons and incurred the wrath of God, Pastor Kumuyi had ensured that the offenders were sanctioned.
Meanwhile, the suspension of John and his wife from church activities has provoked mixed reactions from notable church leaders and other Nigerians.
Outspoken Pastor and the General Overseer of Latter Rain Assembly, Pastor Tunde Bakare who was once a member of the church condemned the punishment meted out by the church, describing it as wicked. Said Pastor Bakare: “I personally did not see what they have done wrong. A man is entitled to his own authority in his own home.1st Peter Chapter 3. A wife should dress to please the husband and not the members of the church or public. It’s sheer wickedness to the couple, they should leave them to enjoy their honeymoon. They should not squeeze them to the modus operandi of a particular organization. I did not see anything wrong in the wedding. The bride was not naked or dressed inappropriately and the groom didn’t. Esther the queen was beautifully dressed in the bible to gain the king’s attention. They should not make mountain out of a molehill. I was in the Deeper Life Bible Church for five years and nobody compelled me to dress the way I dressed. My wife was with me in the church though we weren’t married then. She wears earrings and dresses nicely. All this talk about this couple should stop.”
In the same vein, a leader of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN) in Osun State and General Overseer of the Royal Family Life Ministry, Pastor Sam Segun-Progress described the suspension of John Kumuyi and his wife from the church as a wrong decision taken by the leadership as capable of sending wrong signals about Christianity to the public, especially non-Christians.
He said: “dressing in any way does not affect the faith of any individual. Putting on earrings and making up do not by any way mean sinful acts. It’s not against Christian faith to dress the way the woman dressed. But it was actually against the doctrine of Deeper Life Bible Church, and since the church is not the Kingdom of God, the couple should be allowed to do that which pleases them and their belief.”
According to him, the Bible states clearly that, “there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus,” adding, “for any church leader to condemn a member contravenes the standard of the scripture, which is the symbol of our Christian faith. The doctrine of any church has nothing to do with the kingdom of God. Every individual should be allowed to do that which pleases his faith,” he added.
The Osogbo-based Christian leader who noted that the church should be a rehabilitation centre, said “I would have appreciated it better if this affected couple were just disciplined within the church and were not suspended,” saying that the suspension of the two notable members of the church was capable of sending them out of the church and Christianity totally.”
According to him, “all I can deduce from what happened in the Deeper Life Bible Church is hypocrisy and this is not too good for our churches and the church leaders. I will urge the leadership of Deeper Life Bible Church to read the book of Exodus and see what God says about hypocrisy. The development in the church was a bad omen for the body of Christ and did not portray the church well before the public, especially the non-Christians.”
The Pentecostal preacher maintained that, “It is the wish of God that everybody comes to repentance. Jesus Christ during his eventful ministry on earth did not send anybody away. Even sinners ate with him and he did not condemn them. Why should we now suspend people and send them out of the church for an act which was merely against the doctrine of the church and which no one can prove was against the kingdom of God? Is any Church the kingdom of God? Or can anyone assume the position of God?”
He urged Christian leaders to live above hypocrisy and allow the spirit of God to direct them in their dealings with fellow human beings, even as he called for genuine acts, saying, “God cannot be mocked and God cannot be deceived by anyone.” He counseled Nigerian leaders to learn from the development in the church and serve with genuine hearts, saying the country needs genuine and purpose-driven leaders in a time like this.
Corroborating the views of Pastor Progress, a leader of the Cherubim and Seraphim Church in Osun State, Apostle Durodola Michael expressed worry about the development in the Deeper Life Bible Church and declared that the decision of the leadership of the church was not only harsh but contradicts Christian faith, which he said places premium on repentance.
He said “the leadership of the church should have forgiven the couple who after realizing their mistakes tendered an unreserved apology to them. Christianity teaches us forgiveness and one of the tenets of the Christian faith is forgiveness. The couple after apologizing to the leadership of the church needed not be punished again if the church will follow the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
According to him, “the only area where I noticed that the church leadership erred was their lack of forgiving spirit. It was reported that the couple apologized and that should have been the end if the church would go by the teaching of Christ. The action of the church was capable of sending the couple out of the church system.”
He noted that the doctrinal practice of the church might not stand the test of time considering developments in the world and the expansion in the church, especially its location in most western countries now.
“The church cannot continue with its practice. I don’t think the practice can last. Before now, it was a sin for members of the church to have televisions in their houses, but today they don’t only have them, but the General Superintendent of the church even ministers via the television to his members and others across the world. So, such practice can’t last.
For Mr Tony Okafor, Chairman, Law Students Forum, Anambra State, “the world has grown beyond a period when somebody will hold one to the traditions of one’s father. People should be allowed to exercise their freedom without any form of chains or handcuff. It’s natural that after parental tutelage, the child should be allowed to exercise his or her right upon growing up.
“The constitution of this country is very clear that everyone has freedom of religion; it is a fundamental right that cannot be derogated by anybody, including parents. So I think Kumuyi and his church should allow the young couple exercise this rights as enshrined under Section 38 of the Nigeria Constitution.
The lesson for the leadership of the church is that there is a limit within which you can put people in a cage and expect them to be quiet all the time.”
Apostle Lawrence Achudume of Victory Life Bible Church, Abeokuta said the development reveals that some things some churches are holding on to are no longer relevant. He said “I was once in the Deeper Life many years ago. I know some of them are no longer practicable in the 21st century. For the son of General Superintendent who was raised in Pastor Kumuyi’s house and the girl in question who is the daughter of another General Superintendent of the church in Jamaica, to come and negate the rules shows that something is wrong with the doctrines they are enforcing. The couple can’t claim to be ignorant of the doctrines of their father’s church. The couple can’t claim that they have not seen how those who have married before them in the church did. The lesson I want the leadership of the church to learn from this is that they should not go ahead preaching or forcing things their children or congregation can’t follow. The world is changing.”
“The suspension itself on a global society is an infringement on their fundamental human rights. The couple has apologized openly; why the suspension? Will the suspension rewind or cancel the wedding if the church had been silent on it? The couple deliberately wanted to do what they did, and they have done it. By their pedigree, they knew the rule and they deliberately broke the rule. It’s also a lesson to Nigerian parents. We should not be too rigid or harsh on our children; we should give them an element of freedom, because time is changing from the time we were born.”
Founder of the Odua People’s Congress, Dr. Fredrick Fasehun also asked that the couple be left alone. “People should allow the young couple to live their lives the way they want it. In a wedding ceremony, a couple is free to do whatever they want to do. It’s their day of joy. Their outfits should be what they want to wear and not what the public expects them to put on. Whether the wedding is flamboyant or not depends on the bride and the groom. In the first wedding of Christianity, there was eating and drinking, as a matter of fact, when the wine was exhausted, they requested for more to satisfy the guests.”
Mrs. Stella Awoh, a lecturer at the Yaba College of Technology said that judgment should be left to God. “Leave Judgment to God,” adding, however that the bride could have conformed to church rules.
“Kumuyi must have his reasons for allowing it. Remember that the church members now watch TV unlike before. Let us leave judgment to God. But that girl could have conformed to the tradition of the church. Head covering is a must in Deeper Life Church and as long as that is the tradition of the church and it’s biblical to cover the head, the girl could have covered her hair on her wedding day, although God answers prayers whether the head is covered or not,” Awoh said.
While many condemned the church’s action, others, on the other hand argued that the church was right in punishing the couple.
According to Rev. Joseph Olusegun Awusinu of Hosanna Mission of Christ Ministry International, Abeokuta, Ogun State, “where there is no law, there is no sin, once they have rules and regulations in the church, by way of their doctrine, the couple ought to have obeyed them. Once they have gone against it, they needed to be punished. So to me, the suspension is in order. It’s to serve as a deterrent to other members of the church who may want to go the way the couple had gone. My appeal is that the leadership of the church should not allow the suspension to last long. I agree that civilization may have eroded some of the doctrines of the church, but I think anyone or group who does not want to respect the doctrines can take their exit. But once you decide to stay in a church, you must respect their rules and regulations to the letter.”
To Mr. Biodun Ogunleye of the Anglican Church Communion, Abeokuta, what the leadership of the Deeper Life Church did was to tell the world that they practice what they preach. “To me, I think the son or daughter of a pastor or Imam should practice what his or her father or mother preaches. Once their doctrines negate what they did, they should be punished, at least to tell the world that being the son or daughter of an influential person does not matter. It’s a lesson to our children too that we must always respect the wishes of our parents and leaders.”
The General Superintendent, Voice of Freedom Ministry, Benin, Edo State, Abraham Chigbundu in his reaction said, “the truth of the matter is, if you accept to be part, you should follow the tradition of the place. What they did violates the tradition of the church, not the Bible.
“They should have known that their conduct would upset the church. The two have tried to make a statement that it’s not this outward appearance. Nobody condemned the limousine. There is likelihood more of this will occur. Moderation does not mean you’re a moron.
“For the suspension, the Church is right in keeping its tradition. In summary, (1) They should have obeyed the church rules. (2) The Church is right to have suspended them and (3) They are making a statement by saying change the rule. The leaders should look into it and see how they can correct it.”
In his reaction, the Anglican Bishop of Enugu Diocese, Bishop Emmanuel Chukwuma, said the action of John and his wife is regrettable, especially as both are children of top-ranking leaders of the church. He also commended the church for sanctioning the duo and said such caution would as well serve as indirect caution on the rest of the church. He also advised that people should not view the decision of the church as unnecessary vilification, adding that since both culprits are adults coming from the first families of the church, they have no excuse for failing to comply with the rules and tradition of their church. His words:
“The Deeper Life Church has a long reputation for simplicity – no earrings, no makeup, perming of hair or artificial hair and all that. The church has no room, whatsoever, for flamboyancy, either in dressing or any other thing about life. So, the couple’s action was a complete sell-out and very discouraging attitude. And I encourage the leadership of the church to take further action towards returning to the basics of the church’s tradition of simplicity, modesty and decency. It’s good they were cautioned because, I believe, the suspension is geared towards instilling discipline in the church. Deeper Life has long been known for modesty and decency. What John Kumuyi and his bride did was almost opposite of what Deeper Life preaches and the action has given the church a bad impression. So, whatever action the church has taken against the duo was simply a caution and a reminder that people should be very cautious about the way they dress and their general lifestyle.
“So, I think Pastor Kumuyi allowed the axe to fall on his son,because he realizes that leadership, at all levels, must be by example. People must be careful and endeavor not to fall into the temptation of handling church’s funds as personal affair. There should be overall discipline in the church because the church belongs to God, not man. Even the issue of makeup and other issues raised, are all against the teachings of Deeper Life that we all know. And that was why the couple had to apologize to the church,”
To the Chairman of Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN),Oyo State, Pastor Ayo Olabisi, the Deeper Life Church deserves commendation for the action it took against the couple. Olabisi commended the Deeper Life Church committee for the suspension of the couple, saying “There should be discipline in the house of God. That is how it should be. Where there is discipline, you can’t just be behaving the way you like. I wholeheartedly support it.”
Also, a member of Deeper Life Church in Ibadan who craved anonymity said she doesn’t understand why John was suspended when his father who is the General Superintendent of the church was said to be at the wedding. “At least, he should have told them if they didn’t know that the mode of dressing of the wife is against Deeper Life doctrine.”
An elder in Christ Apostolic Church (CAC), Samuel Odekunle also commended the church for the couple’s suspension adding that CAC doctrine is also against such reckless dressing, though according to him, some CAC members are also guilty of the same offence. “Sometimes, you will not be able to differentiate a Christian home from a non-Christian home by the way some people dress during their wedding.”
A leading motivational speaker and Senior Pastor, Destiny Life Christian Centre in Yenagoa, Bayelsa State, Pastor Tony Banks in his reaction said the couple should have known that they cannot dress outside the standards set by the church as long as they remain members.
He also argued that it is high time the church jettisoned some of its doctrines, which actually hinder spiritual growth and progress.
“First of all, it is imperative to say that Dr. W.F. Kumuyi is a sincere, great and anointed servant of God. However, when it comes to doctrinal and life issues, no one is infallible.
“The bride and groom, who are members of Deeper Life should and are expected to obey the rules and codes of conduct of the ministry, since they are members of the church. They can dress up as they want from the day they withdraw their membership of the church.
“However, the leadership should, henceforth, learn to amend some of the church’s puritanical doctrines that are inimical to Christian growth and progress.”
Speaking in the same vein, Pastor Funwei, who attends the Deeper Life Church, said, “the church stands on holiness. We are not sentimental concerning issues like that, whoever is found wanting must be disciplined no matter the title he or she is holding. We so much believe that in heaven, title does not matter but the righteousness and how you obey God will definitely count on that day.
Pastor Leo Nwokoji, a member of Deeper Life Church said the action is not a condemnation, but a form of discipline, saying that there are standards and everyone upholds such standards. Anyone that defaulted should be disciplined, he said, adding that there is no immunity in God’s kingdom.
Emeka Ejim who is the Provincial Youth President, Anglican Youth Fellowship, Enugu Province, said “…the bride and groom are both living outside the country where culture, ways of dressing, etc are not given any attention. The modus in the Western world as regards to church tradition is that you should come to God the way you are… gays, lesbians, don’t cover your hair etc…so I blame them for not conforming to their church’s doctrine on outward appearance…if they had wanted the ‘oyibo way of wedding’ it’s simple, go to the church that suits your taste, more so that the leader of the Deeper Life, Pastor Kumuyi is directly involved. Also the counseling section that prepared them for the wedding has a question to answer. Were they rightly informed of the church’s norms? If yes, then it’s an act of disobedience to the church authority.
(The Sun)
Advertise on NigerianEye.com to reach thousands of our daily users
No one should put fire on the roof and sleep. Love Kumuyi put fire on Deeper Life roof, thank God, d Church is on rampage to quench d flame. She should have used d privilege she had to comfort papa and d Church rather than provoking everybody. I think, I am no more angry wt Deeper Life now
ReplyDeletePastor Bakare & others who are criticising d church leaders shd exercise caution. If they av standards in their church & its broken 'll they keep quiet? Every org has their rules & regulations. Just like corrupt leaders walk freely here but in some countries no room for them.It is a pity many so called ministries av no standard on anything. The concerned ministry has taken the right decision.
ReplyDeleteIf the boy mother should be alive, all this talk talk about the couple, would not have come up. Please, leave them to start their life as husband and wife.
ReplyDeleteU don't know wat u just said so keep queit
DeleteDifferent strokes for different folkes. There is more to this than meet the eyes, the couple is sending a message across to the world. Lets have a retrospect of their lifestyle before the wedding, then we'l see that it did not start today.
ReplyDeletePastor Bakare, wear whatever you want and leave Deeper Life alone. Each church has its doctrinal principles, any church operating without a set of beliefs is not a church. All human organizations; clubs, associations and even political parties have code of conduct, the breach of which disciplinary actions are meted on the erring member.
ReplyDeleteBefore now the church was accused of double standard now after taken action thh church is accused again of being strict and unforgiven. People should beware
ReplyDeleteI believe the who conducted the wedding should have been blamed for following d churh standard. And all arguement wuld have been avoided. But if d bride father is been discplined for training up his girl then then d groom father should take the same pusnishment. What is good for d geese should also applied for the gander... Odun Tutu.
ReplyDeleteHow has our church "leaders" have become disillusioned. It not a surprise to hear Pastor Bakare and his cohorts in their judgments. These are "men of God" that have dragged the reverend position of the priest to ridicule. Established rules and regulations of any organization are set to guide and give direction to anyone that accepts to become part of the organization, just as the constitution of a nation. The content thereof is binding on every member or citizen. God's standards stand sure and it does not change with time. May the Lord refocus our "men of God"
ReplyDeleteOne of the prophecies of this year 2013 by Pst Adeboye is:
ReplyDeleteProminent Church leaders need prayers against planned scandals.
Stop criticizing any church leader and pray for them
i blame deeper life church. if they were so serious about the dressing, why then did they join the wedding on the wedding day? they should have turned the couple back from the gate! they didnt want to dissappoint papa kumuyi who was there abi? that's hypocrisy!! i celebrate that deeper life has standards but i sympathize because the church is slowly losing relevance in the 21st century.
ReplyDeleteThe wedin was not in deeper life n so deeper life cudnt hv stopd it. Watch ur tongue.u must not criticise wen u don't hv details
DeletePastor Kumuyi should now consider returning Deeper Life Bible Church to the God of salvation. The man-made rules and regulations he introduced into the church from beginning cannot hold anymore. For example he preached against television and radio in the past. The Bible encourage Christians to be wise and members should test the message from Deeper Life Bible Church with the scriptures.
ReplyDeletePeople should avoid bondage and man-made messages. The Bible is very clear.
Read the Bible for yourself and do not be deceived by man-made messages.
you are right my dear. many people, talking of christians, dont seems to understand the difference between Gods rule n man made rule. this to me is bondage created by man. there is liberty in christ. Gods word is clear.
DeleteIf I am right pastor WF Kumuyi was at the wedding ceremony,why didn't he stop the wedding or better still walk away to register his displeasure with the way and manner the bride was dressed?If not for misplaced priority what is tradition doing in christiandom?Christianity is not anyones personal tradition but a way of life.Its a shame to still hear Christians talk of traditions,rules, even military decrees in churches when the bible is there for all to see.Let our judgment/comments be based on the scriptures and not any church tradition which are all man made.
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't at d wedding...
DeleteIn as much as I agree to d adherence of d principles n standards of any church, org or places we find ourselve, I still feel that some standards that violates certain freedom shld be amended to accommodate new innovations and standards of living. What these young couples did is not only d reflection of d changes they desire, but also dat of many people in d Deeper Life Church. I ve come across alot of them who do not hesitate to effect such changes once they re outside d Deeper Life environment. Some even go d extreme becoming cultist, thieves, prostitutes and so on once they see little freedom. Its high time Deeper Life Church looks into so many of d "donts" that exist in d church cos its really dragging young ppl out of d church. If u ask d little ones in dat church, they will tell u once they re grown up they will never go to church again. A little girl told me she was called out in front of her mates by her sunday school teacher and disgraced bcos she was wearing a pin earing she wore after doing little bride for a couple dat wedded in their compound. The sunday sch teacher asked her mates to call her a "slave" cos according to him its slaves that wore earings in d Bible. That little girl got so devastated.
ReplyDeleteU mean every church has its own rule? So wats d use of d Blble? Don't tell me every Church has its own Bible to? No wonder every Tom, Dick and Harry wl open his chirch and provides his own rules.
ReplyDeleteYes pastor Kummuyi was at d wedin bt do u know if he was aware of d dressing b4 dat day? Watch wat u say! As pastor Bakare and co, in every organisation, family, schools etc, there are rules that govern them and as a member u must comply if u feel u can't comply then go out and do the way you want.Many of u pastors are deceiving ur members that dressing dosnt matter, remember God will juge u.
ReplyDeleteI'M RESPONDING TO THE LAST COMMENT; IF YOU KNOW WITH YOURSELF THAT YOU WILL ONE DAY REBEL AGAINST THE CONSTITUTED AUTHORITY OVER YOU, WHY NOT JUST DECAMP. IF JOHN HAD DECAMPED BEFORE NOW, NOBODY WOULD HAVE BLAMED HIM. EVEN ALL OF YOU THAT YOU ARE CONDEMNING THE ACT CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION:'why do organizations have their(particularly theirs)code of conduct?" IF YOUR STAFF OR CHILD REBEL AGAINST YOU, I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL DO THE WORSE. SOME PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY GIVEN TO CRITICISM. THE OSUN STATE PFN PASTOR IS EVEN MIXING THINGS UP. SUSPENSION DOES NOT MEAN THEY SENT THEM OUT OF THE CHURCH! YOU WENT TOO FAR. IT MEANS NON OF YOUR CHURCH MEMBERS NEVER ERRED, OR BETTER STILL THE WHOLE BULK LACK DISCIPLINE ALTOGETHER AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY PURGING. APOSTLE PAUL SPOKE OF ERRING MEMBERS: PUNISH THEM, DISCIPLINE THEM, PRUNE THEM,....LET OTHERS LEARN...BEFORE THE WHOLE LUMP BECOME LEAVENED AS SOME DENOMINATIONS ARE....A BUNCH OF LEAVENED SOULS.
ReplyDeleteHaters of truth have seen avenue to criticize and condemn. I wish somebody should be wise enough to bridle his/her mouth. The problem with Christendom today is that most people claim to be Christians whereas they are not actually practicing real Christianity. Somebody mess up the doctrine of the church and the authority decided to punish the culprits but, Christians are crying hell and fire. Such are infants and should repent of venturing into matters that do not concern them especially people of the like of Bakare and the so called Osogbo-based Christian leader as far as I am concerned is a junk pastor. By the way should another man from a different family come to tell me how I will run my family. Any person who have made negative comments as regards the decision taking by the Deeper Life bible church should wait and see especially the so called preachers of the world.
ReplyDeletethere should be equity in my opinion..Pastor Kumuyi too should be suspended or call back the General Superintendent in Jamaica..GBAM!!!
ReplyDeleteSECURING YOUR FUTURE SHOULDN'T COST YOU A FORTUNE
ReplyDeleteBUY A LAND IN OUR ESTATE (REALITY ESTATE, ATAN) AT A VERY CHEAP PRICE
LAND ALLOCATION IS IMMEDIATELY AFTER PAYMENT.
THE ESTATE IS LOCATED IN A SCERENE ENVIRONMENT IN KAJOLA TOWN,
ATAN-OTA, OGUN STATE.
SUROUNDED BY OTHER ESTATES AND 20 MINS DRIVE FROM WINNERS CHAPEL
(CANAAN LAND), 25 MINS DRIVE TO AGBARA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, IN THE
NEIBOURHOOD
OF CRAWFORD UNIVERSITY, GATEWAY POLYTHENIC AND CONVENANT UNIVERSITY.
EXPECTED FACILITIES IN THE ESTATE ARE:
PARAMETER FENCING, SECURITY POST, ELECTRIFICATION (ALREADY AVAILABLE)
DRAINAGE AND GOOD ROAD (ALREADY AVAILABLE)
PRICE: N200,000 OUTRIGHT PAYMENT AND N350,000 INSTALMENTAL PAYMENT FOR A YEAR.
YOU MAY VISIT THE ESTATE LOCATION BEFORE PAYMENTS ARE MADE.
THIS IS SECURE, SAFE AND FREE FROM ANY OMO-ONILE ASSULT AND WHAHALA
ALLOCATION WILL BE BASED ON FIRST COME FIRST SERVED;THE ADMINISTRATOR
OF THE ESTATE RESERVES THE POWER TO ALLOT PLOTS TO INDIVIDUAL
PAYMENT CAN BE MADE INTO OUR CORPORATE ACCOUNT BELOW
CONATCT US FOR CORPERATE ACCOUNT DETAILS
FORE MORE INFO CALL US:
TEL: 08137645850, 08080432420,07030137247,08086642900,08099772801
so Mr Haters of truth, you can open your mouth and call another persons pastor...junk pastor? you hypocrite!!! if i have ur fone number rite now, i will call you and tackle you......mschewwww
ReplyDeleteTunde Bakare made a valid point, a Man has authority in his own home, and his wife should dress to please him; however, the church has established doctrines, if peiple have made a commitment to be members of a church, then they should be ready to abide by those rules.
Besides all these, we should carefully note that there is a difference between biblical living and church doctrines oooo; i think that is a very important point that nobody is talking about......bible did not describe modesty; modesty is relative......deeper life have described their own modesty different from the way daystar describes their own modesty.
besides all this emphasis on dressing and cutting of cake and riding in limousines, God calls us to a higher standard of living; a life not tailored to men but pleasing to God. let everyone fire his own faith into flames thats why we need a personal relationship and not just go to church and wait on pastor to tell us how to eat, sleep and even go to the toilet.
It is well!
IF U HAVE EVER JUMPED D QUEUE BEHIND D ATM, ALL THIS WOULD NEVER MEANT ANYTHING TO U. ANYWAY, IT ACHES ME THE MOST IF.... LET THOSE WHO TRULY LIKES PASTOR W. F. KUMUYI SEIZE THIS ISSUE AS A CHANCE TO REPAY HIM BY PRAYING FOR HIM AND HIS HOUSEHOLD. JOHN/LOVE WAS SIMPLY CHILDISH.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 11.26 said d wedin was not done in deeper life church ok accepted but even if d wedin was not done there I tink d pastor dat wedded dem is 4rm deeper life church so he shud hv turn dem bck until dey dress 2 d doctrine of d church n anonymous 10.26 said kumuyi was absent at d wedin but in d pix I saw kumuyi n his wife 2geda wit d couple.Wot am saying is dat if d bride's fada is suspended den kumuyi shud also b suspended cox his son did not show displeasure wen d bride arrived at d church wearing those mek-ups
ReplyDeletePastors that cannot interpret the bible or turned the words of the bible upside down for selfish interest also want to comment on this issue. Your words revealed you as a pastor who never see any thing wrong for punishment in your church and that everyone of your members is free to do whatever they want. Some of you so called pastors are a disgrace to Christianity. I wonder what you preach to your members. I'm correct to tell you that you are preparing your members for hell and not heaven. It's John that gives you this chance especially the so called pastor from Osu and the head of CAN, you don't know that Christians have code of conduct? It means your children lack training and that you have no good records for emulation. Stop misleading your members for you will give account of this to God. We purge the church of God so that evil doesn't leaven the whole church of God (apostles Paul, 1Corinthians 5:1-13), you must know that Christians are the light of the world and must be a model in all things (Jesus, Mathew 5:13-18).0
ReplyDeleteAny Pastor who say dressing has nothing to do with Christianity,i doubt about that so call men of God,who go about and deceive those who like to leave easy life ,and i urge them to go back to the Bible before is too late for them to repent.
ReplyDeletepls, my beloved fellow believers do not waste ur time answering or defending d pastor nd d church of God,man is a free moral agent.the western world hav turn them to slaves,what we c today on our women is artificialism,their hair,eye lashes,facial look and provocative dressings dat will surprise u all showcasing Jezebelic principles.we find this in d leadership cadre in majority of d so called churches today including so calld pastor Bakare's church. And to all of u pastors,members,sinners,pseudo xtians and all of u dat hav made a comment against dis great man of God and deeper xtian life ministry,u cant take what we hav gotten from us,what we hav accepted we hav accepted no turning back. we do not seek commendation from men but from God.
ReplyDeleteDear all I Think all these pastors so called should leave deeper life bible church alone and let them handle their issues by themselves. Pastors u talk too much ah. Leave them alone and let God handle them the way He wishes. Stop criticising them leave judgment for God. Deeper life please pray to God and never mind these graceless talkers poising themselves as pastor.
ReplyDeleteBakare, a woman is supposed to dress to please the husband and not to please God. is it what you mean?
ReplyDeleteMind you that all these sentimental teachings had led many to hell and is leading many and remember the righteous God will ask you for these souls.
Lets us be wary of what we teach.
God bless you
Barake whatever we do or say is to please God first . The husband is secondary and you must not please your husband at the expenses of your relationship with God.
ReplyDeleteThat pastor that said there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, you did finish reading that verse of Roman 8:1. It says ''Now there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT ''.
For you that talk about the part of world, hear this, ''th wicked shall be turned into hell and ALL NATIONS THAT FORGET GOD''. God will not give preferential treatment to any group of people because of their location on the planet earth. Don't be deceived and don't deceive anyone. You must try to read the bible very well before you begin to say what you must not say.
let Thy Kingdom Come Oh Lord. Have Mercy, correct and Modify u s to fit into you will.
ReplyDeleteBehold he cometh, ar u prepared?